its like staring into an original She loves human beings. I love it. If youre having trouble writing or creating or whatever it is you make, when was the last time you just sat in silence with yourself and listened to what was happening? Her volume The Carrying won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her book Bright Dead Things was a finalist for the National Book Award. Tippett: If you had thought about it And you said that this would be the poem that would mean that you would never be Poet Laureate. Enough of osseous and chickadee and sunflower Tippett: And that is so much more present with us all the time. Its wonderful. In me. Ive got a bone Yeah, Ive got a lot of feelings moving through me. enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high And actually, it seemed to me that your marriage was in fine shape. Starting Thursday, February 2: three months of soaring new On Being conversations, with an eye towards emergence. And I feel like theres a level of mystery thats allowed in the poem that feels like, Okay, I can maybe read this into it, I can put myself into it, and it becomes sort of its own thing. Discoveries about the gut microbiome, for example, and the gut-brain axis; the fascinating vagus nerve and the power of the neurotransmitters we hear about in piecemeal ways in discussions around mental health. like sustenance, a song where the notes are sung Krista Tippett is a Peabody-award winning broadcaster, National Humanities Medalist, and New York Times bestselling author. So the poem you wrote, Joint Custody. You get asked to read it. This conversation shines a light on an emerging ecosystem in our world over and against the drumbeat of what is fractured and breaking: working with the complex fullness of reality, and cultivating old and new ways of seeing, to move towards a transformative wholeness of living. That arresting notion, and the distinction Rachel Naomi Remen draws between curing and healing, makes this an urgent offering to our world of healing we are all called to receive and to give. the world walking in, ready to be ravaged, open for business. The Adventure of Civility. Transcription by Alletta Cooper Krista Tippett: I really believe that poetry is something we humans need almost as much as we need water and air. Our closing music was composed by Gautam Srikishan. So I think thats where, for me, I found any sort of sense of spirituality or belonging. We want to do that where we live, and we want to do it walking alongside others.. But I do think youre a bit of a So the thing is, we have this phrase, old and wise. But the truth is that a lot of people just grow old, it doesnt necessarily come with it. Come back, And you could so a lot of what he knew in Spanish and remembered in Spanish were songs. thing, forever close-eyed, under a green plant. And that between space was the only space that really made sense to me. Just back to this idea that there is this organic automatically breathing thing of which were part, and that we even have to rediscover that. Limn: Yeah. Talk about any of the limits of language, the failure of language. And now Ill just say it again: they are the publisher of the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. we never sing, the third that mentions no refuge Enough of osseous and chickadee and sunflower. Limn: Yeah. So I want to do two more, also from The Carrying. And the next one is Dead Stars. Which follows a little bit in terms of how do we live in this time of catastrophe that also calls us to rise and to learn and to evolve. And then what we find in the second poem is a kind of evolution. No shoes and a glossy Tippett: And poetry is absolutely this is not something I knew would happen when I started this but poetry now is at the heart of On Being, its woven through everything. We know joy to be a life-giving, resilience-making human birthright. And when people describe you as a poet, theyll talk about things about intimacy and emotional sincerity and your observations of the natural world. some new constellations. adrienne maree brown "We are in a time of new suns" On Being with Krista Tippett Society & Culture "What a time to be alive," adrienne maree brown has written. The On Being Project And I kept thinking how I missed all my family, and I missed my father and his wife, and I missed my mother and stepfather. And I was having this moment where I kept being like, Well, if I just deeply look at the world like I do, as poets do, I will feel a sense of belonging. Yeah. The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. Can you locate that? And its always an interesting question because I feel like my process changes and I change. This conversational nature of reality indeed, this drama of vitality is something we have all been shown, willing or unwilling, in these years. beneath us, and I was just We surface this as a companion for the frontiers we are all on just by virtue of being alive in this time. "On Being," a weekly interview show about the mysteries of human existence, hosted by Krista Tippett, airs on nearly 400 public radio stations, with more than half a million weekly listeners . Peabody Award-winning host Krista Tippett presents a live, in-person recording of the wildly popular On Being podcast, featuring guest speaker Isabel Wilkerson. And then I would say in terms of the sacred, it was always the natural world. Right. And isnt it strange that breathing is something that we have to get better at? You said there in a place, as Ive aged, I have more time for tenderness, for the poems that are so earnest they melt your spine a little. Definitely. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. As we turn the corner from pandemic, although we will not completely turn the corner, I just wanted to read something you wrote on Twitter, which was hilarious. enough of can you see me, can you hear me, enough Its the , Limn: We literally. So you get to have this experience with language that feels somewhat disjointed, and in that way almost feels like, Oh, this makes more sense as the language for our human experience than, lets say, a news report.. Tippett: Thats so wonderful. But if you look at even the letters we use in our the A actually was initially a drawing of an ox, and M was water. A student of change and of how groups change together. As . And it was an incredible treat to interview her before 1,000 people, packed together in a concert hall on a cold Minnesota night. Winters icy hand at the back of all of us. thats sung in silence when its too hard to go on, Can you locate that? even the tenacious high school band off key. Jen Bailey, and so many of you. And I wonder if you think about your teenage self, who fell in love with poetry. And I feel like poetry makes the world for that experience, as opposed to: Im fine.. If you would like to hear an uplifting message at a time of global difficulty, come hear Krista Tippett speak at Central Congregational Church in Providence RI at 6:30 pm, Saturday, December 3. We prioritize busyness. And for a long time Sundays kind of unsettled me, even as an adult. and gloss. Alice Parker Singing Is the Most Companionable of Arts. Limn: Oh, definitely. Yeah. is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. that thered be nothing left in you, like Yeah, Ive got a lot of feelings moving through me. "Beauty isn't all about just nice loveliness, like," O'Donohue tells Tippett. the pummeling of youth. But in the present era of tribalism, it feels like weve reached our collective limitations Again and again, we have escalated the conflict and snuffed the complexity out of the conversation.. the nectar lovers, and we And I knew immediately that it was a love poem and a loss poem. Tune in now. Limn: I think its definitely a writing prompt too, right? the ground and the feast is where I live now. This is not a problem. No, question marks. What Amanda has been gathering by way of answers to that question is an extraordinary gift to us all. And together you kind of have this relationship. Which I hadnt had before. And also that phrase, as Ive aged. You say that a lot and I would like to tell you that you have a lot more aging to do. Join our weekly ritual of a newsletter, The Pause, delivered to your inbox every Saturday morning. But let me say, I was taken Oh, thank you. So Im hoping. And I think about that all the time. And yet at the same time, I do feel like theres this Its so much power in it. A few years ago, Krista hosted an event in Detroit a city in flux on the theme of raising children. And there was an ease, I think, that living in the head-only world was kind of a poets dream on some level. Yeah. Nov 19, 2022, 8:00pm PST. And even as it relieves us of the need to sum everything up. I write the year, seems like a year you You should take a nap.. And it was this moment of like, Oh, this is abundance. And you also wrote about that, and you also wrote this essay. We speak the language of questions. [laughs]. It is the world and the trees and the grasses and the birds looking back. And so I gave up on it. So can we just engage in this intellectual exercise with you because its completely fascinating and Im not sure whats going on, and Id like you to tell me. Limn: [laughs] Yeah. And both parents all four of my parents, I should say would point those things out, that special quality of connectedness that the natural world offers us. whats larger within us, toward how we were born. But then I just examine all the different ways of being quiet. Out here, theres a bowing even the trees are doing. Its repeating words. This is a moving and edifying conversation that is also, not surprisingly, a lot of fun. When I lived in New York City, my two best friends, I would always try to get them to go to yoga with me. And the one Id love you to read is Not the Saddest Thing in the World. This is the one where I felt like theres subtlety to it, but you just named so much in there. An accomplished journalist, author, and entrepreneur, she was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2014. Tippett: as you said, to give instruction or answers, where to give answers would be to disrespect the gravity of the questions. song. Im really longing I realized as I was preparing for this, Im just Of course, I read poetry, I read a lot of poetry in these last years, but I realized Im craving hearing poetry. Then in 2018, she published a brilliant essay called "Complicating the Narratives," which she opened by confessing a professional existential crisis. I never go there very much anymore. So in The Carrying, there are these two poems on facing pages, that both have fire in the title. And then it hits you or something you, like you touch a doorknob, and it reminds you of your mothers doorknob. I was actually born at home. Only my head is for you. This is a gift. And that reframing was really important to me. , and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. Tippett: Thank you. It sends us back to work with the raw materials of our lives, understanding that these are always the materials even of change at a cosmic or a societal level. unpoisoned, the song thats our birthright. Tippett: That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. And now we have watched it in these 25 years go from strength, to strength, to strength. Just the title of this, I feel is such an invitation and not the kind of invitation that was being made. In her Peabody-award winning public radio show and podcast, On Being, Krista Tippett provides a space for deep and meaningful conversations with profound thi. Tippett: I also think aging is underrated. Tippett: Yeah. I guess maybe you had to quit doing that since you had this new job. And its true. Cracking time open, seeing its true manifold nature, expands a sense of the possible in the here and the now. I almost think that this poem could be used as a meditation. by even the ageless woods, the shortgrass plains, the Red River Gorge, the fistful of land left. And its true. Its repeating words. This is like a self-care poem. And I feel like poetry makes the world for that experience, as opposed to: Im fine., Tippett: [laughs] Yeah. Once it has been witnessed We orient away from the closure of fear and towards the opening of curiosity. The bright side is not talked about. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. Dont get me wrong, I do At a special TEDPrize@UN, journalist Krista Tippett deconstructs the meaning of compassion through several moving stories, and proposes a new, more attainable definition for the word. Shes written six books of poetry, most recently, The Hurting Kind. I will trust the world and I will feel at peace. And this time, what came to me as I stood and looked at the trees was that Oh, it isnt just me looking. And to not have that bifurcated for a moment. Is where that poem came from. Where being at ease is not okay. After almost 20 years on public radio at the helm of her award-winning show On Being, Krista Tippett is transitioning the weekly program to a seasonal podcast.. Tippett said that the On Being Project, her nonprofit organization that produces the show, began seeing itself a few years ago "as a media and public life organization and to figure out what it means to be that. I feel like that between space, that liminal space, is a place where we were living for so long, and many of us still living in that between space of, How do I go into the world safely, and how do I move through the world with safety and care-take myself and care-take others. Limn: I remember writing this poem because I really love the word lover, and its a kind of polarizing word. Exit And then it hits you or something you, like you touch a doorknob, and it reminds you of your mothers doorknob. Weve come this far, survived this much. Theres this poem which Ive never heard anybody ask you to read called Where the Circles Overlap, Tippett: In The Hurting Kind. Tippett: I love that. And I want you to read it. BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: We have a profile today of Krista Tippett, the host of the weekly public radio conversation "Speaking of Faith," which won a Peabody Award this week. Actually, thats in Bright Dead Things. Then three years later, Tippett left American Public Media to create her own production company, Krista Tippett Public Productions, which has aligned with WNYC/New York Public Radio to distribute the show to affiliates nationwide. So well just be on an adventure together. It comes back to these questions of like, Why do I get to be lucky in this way? Youll see why in a minute. In all kinds of lives, in all kinds of places, they are healers and social creatives. a finalist for the National Book Award. You said a minute ago that the poetry has breath built into it, and you said also that, you have said: its meant to make us breathe. Yes. And we all have this, our childhood stories. creeks, two highways, two stepparents And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. Copyright 2023, And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our. Limn: I love it. bury yourself in leaves, and wait for a breaking, So you get to have this experience with language that feels somewhat disjointed, and in that way almost feels like, Oh, this makes more sense as the language for our human experience than, lets say, a news report.. On Being with Krista Tippett | 5 minute podcast summaries on Apple . It is still the river. And then I kept thinking, What are the other things I can do that with? [laughter] Because there are a lot of unhelpful things that have been told to me. Its almost romantic as we adjust the waxy blue Tippett: Im really glad youre enjoying it because theres many more decades. So we have to do this another time. I also think aging is underrated. I think there are things we all learned also. Im really longing I realized as I was preparing for this, Im just Of course, I read poetry, I read a lot of poetry in these last years, but I realized Im craving hearing poetry. I just set my wash settings to who Id like to be in 2023: Casual, Warm, Normal., Yeah, that was true. All came, and still comes, from the natural world. Yeah. I am asking you to touch me. Too high for most of us with the rockets. But you said I dont know, I just happened to be I saw you again today. It touches almost every aspect of human life in almost every society around the world right now. Sometimes it feels like language and poetry, I often start with sounds. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. If you are here, you are likely already part of this. The people who gather around On Being are part of the generative narrative of our time. So its a very special place. What was it? of the kneeling and the rising and the looking Kalliopeia Foundation. Why not that weed? Our entire world is spent that way. Sometimes youre, and so much of its. Its so interesting because I feel like one of the things as you age, as an artist, as a human being, you start to rethink the stories that people have told you and start to wonder what was useful and what was not useful. And then what we find in the second poem is a kind of evolution. We point out the stars that make Orion as we take out Right now we are in a fast river together every day there are changes that seemed unimaginable until they occurred. adrienne maree brown and others use many words and phrases to describe what she does, and who she is: A student of complexity. We just ask questions. And I think most poets are drawn to that because it feels like what were always trying to do is say something that cant always entirely be said, even in the poem, even in the completed poem. And together you kind of have this relationship. Which I hadnt had before. On Being with Krista Tippett. These, it turns out, are as common in human life globally as they are measurably health-giving and immunity-boosting. Limn: Because I love this poem, and no one has ever asked me to read this poem. Because there are a lot of unhelpful things that have been told to me. And the right habitat for that, for all human flourishing, is for us to begin with a sense of belonging, with a sense of ease, with a sense that even though we are desirous and even though we want all of these things, right now, being alive, being human is enough. the collar, constriction of living. , which was a couple of years before that, certainly pre-pandemic, in the before times, was the way you wrote, a way that you spoke of the same story of yourself. Limn: Yeah. And then there are times in a life, and in the life of the world, where only a poem perhaps in the form of the lyrics of a song, or a half sentence we ourselves write down can touch the mystery of ourselves, and the . Was there a religious or spiritual background in your childhood there, however you would describe that now? when it flickers, when it folds up so perfectly So Sundays were a different kind of practice, if you will, a different kind of observation. if we declared a clean night, if we stopped being terrified. but I was loved each place. I live in the low parts now, most And that there was this break when we moved from pictographic language, which is characters which directly refer to the things spoken, and when we moved to the phonetic alphabet. Were back at the natural world of metaphors and belonging. Or, Im suffering, or Right. Krista Tippett (2) Rsultats tris par. Interesting. water, enough sorrow, enough of the air and its ease, So at this point in my notes, I have three words in bold with exclamation points. With. It suddenly just falls apart [laughter], Limn: and I feel like there are moments that I travel a lot in South America, with my husband, and by the end of the second week, my brain has gone. and you forget how to breathe. Tippett: I do feel like you were one of the people who was really writing with care and precision and curiosity about what we were going through. So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. you can keep it until its needed, until you can I have people who ask me, How do you write poems? And you talk about process. And then Ill say this, that the Library of Congress, theyre amazing, and the Librarian of Congress, Dr. Carla Hayden, had me read this poem, so. And it was this moment of like, Oh, this is abundance. And the Sonoma Coast is a really special place in terms of how its been preserved and protected throughout the years. into anothers, that sounds like a match being lit Many of us were having different experiences. God, which I dont think were going to get to talk about today. We think time is always time. Tippett: And I also just wondered if that experience of loving sound and the cadence of this language that was yours and not yours, if that also flowed into this love of poetry. Tippett: Something I remember reading is that you grew up in an English-speaking household, but your paternal grandfather spoke Spanish and that you just loved to listen to him. I want to say first of all, how happy I am to be doing something with Milkweed, which I have known since I moved to Minnesota, I dont know, over a quarter century ago, to be this magnificent but quiet, local publisher. I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. I feel like theres a level in which it offers us a place to be that feels closer to who we are, because there is always that interesting moment where someone asks you who you are, even just the simple question of, How are you? If we really took a minute to think about it, How am I? Tippett: I feel like it brings us back to wholeness somehow. And now we have watched it in these 25 years go from strength, to strength, to strength. And coming in future weeks, is a conversation with a technologist and artist named James Bridle, whose point is that language itself, the sounds we made and the words we finally formed, and the imagery and the metaphors were all primally, organically rooted in the natural world of which we were part. And were at a new place, but we have to carry and process that. How to make that more vibrant, more visible, and more defining? And it often falls apart from me. The great eye. (Always, always there is war and bombs.) I think I enjoy getting older. Patel is a Deseret contributor. Just uncertainty is so hard on our bodies. Theres whole books about how to breathe. The listener wants to understand the humanity behind the words of the other, and patiently summons one's own best self and one's own best words and questions.". 25 Sep. 2014. But each of us has callings, not merely to be professionals, but to be friends, neighbors, colleagues, family, citizens, lovers of the world. Krista Tippett is Peabody Award-winning broadcaster and New York Times best-selling author. I think I trusted its unknowing and its mystery in a way that I distrusted maybe other forms of writing up until then. And I knew that at 15. snaking underneath us as we absentmindly sing to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward Poems all come to me differently. But I want you to read it second, because what I found in. , its woven through everything. Theres daytime silent when I stare, and nighttime silent when I do things. 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